I don’t think it’s very useful to take a word that’s absolutly terrible and then change the definition of that word to apply to some other definition that you don’t like.
I don't think it's really about applying a definition A to a definition B incorrectly, but rather about expanding or restricting the meaning of a given definition.
Is the Gaza genocide on the same level as what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto, certainly not.
However, it is already surpassing Kosovo/Bosnian War genocide by a huge margin.
That doesn't seem to be the case. The UN has a legal definition of genocide, and the assertion is that the criteria are met. So what's the change in definition?
The resolution is an outcome of a process descibed in this organization's bylaws. Quoting:
ARTICLE 6. Resolutions
A. Resolutions committing the Association to a stand on a public issue require a two-thirds majority of those voting at the biennial business meeting or by e-mail ballot. For a proposed resolution to pass, voting must have been undertaken by a quorum of more than 20% (20% plus 1) of paid up IAGS members at the time of the vote.
B. Resolutions directly related to genocide or other mass atrocities, including early warning signs thereof, may be proposed by any member in good standing.
C. Proposed resolutions shall first be submitted to the Resolutions Committee appointed by the President and the Executive Board for review of their linguistic clarity and historical and factual accuracy. The standard of review shall be that of an article for the IAGS journal. The Resolutions Committee will recommend to the Executive Board and Advisory Boardwhether the Resolution should be forwarded to the IAGS membership for a vote.
D. After consulting with the Advisory Board, the Executive Board shall decide whether or not the proposed resolution will be submitted to the IAGS membership for a vote within two weeks of submission by the Resolutions Committee. Resolutions must be circulated by the Executive Board to the IAGS membership at least thirty days before the close of voting by IAGS members. E-mail voting shall begin as soon as the resolution is submitted to the membership by the Executive Board and close at the end of thirty days of voting. Votes will be submitted and counted by the Secretary/Treasurer of the IAGS, and after verification by the Executive Board, results of the voting will be announced to the members of the IAGS.
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Wow wow. What an incredible list of dehumanizing genocidal statements. Let me unpack them one by one:
> Is Israel doing genocide? Probably. Does the Palestinian leadership (hamas) want them to do this? Yep.
So from the start you claim that the Palestinian leadership wants its own people genocided (and themselves killed in the process). Who knows why? They must be rabid beasts, these victims. Better put them out of their pain, eh?
> Who cares more about killing less "civilians"? The effed up thing is it's probably Israel.
And how do you even know? Most of the killing of civilians, also in percentage to the total, has been done by Israel. Is it again because the others are rabid animals? Also, thanks for those scare quotes around "civilians". Wink wink.
> The Arab world doesn't want to deal with Palestinians.
The Arab world is either corrupt by US money or has a gun pointed to its head, both by Israel and by its unwavering supporter, financer and protector, the US. This has been made extremely clear multiple times (hundreds of thousands/ millions dead).
> Palestinian leadership ... only care about maintaining Mafia level control over Gaza.
Again, because they are rabid animals, right? They do not care about freedom, their land, the oppression, being shot at, bombed...
> Palestinians have not been allowed to have an economy in 74 years, live off of international aid, and yer have increased their population by a factor of ten. The only reason you do that is to raise cannon fodder.
So these animals are guilty of multiplying, their numbers prove their intentions, is this what you mean? The fact itself that they are born proves that they're evil.
> Everyone wants the Palestinians to get their own State
Not at all, everyone says this to buy time. In fact Israel abhors the idea (threatens everyone who proposes to recognize Palestine), not because of bs security concerns but because it means putting a fixed border and an end to their expansion. The US does what Israel demands- we've seen very clearly in the past two years that their leverage with Israel is zero, while Israel basically controls most US representatives. Europe is more or less in the same position, subordinate to both Israel and the US. The "peace process" for the two states solution is just a facade. It's a process that should go on forever without reaching its goal, keeping the pretense of legality while Israel colonises the West Bank and now Gaza.
> But if the Palestinians have a state, and provoke a war, then Israel can use even more unrestrained violence against them
Uh? And why? This is a total non-sequitur. Also, why would they provoke a war after reaching their goal of having a state? Again these animals..
> If Israel had used unrestrained carpet bombing like we did to Dresden in world war II, postage stamp sized Gaza would have been completely razed in a month.
In fact Israel has dropped more bombs on Gaza than were dropped on Dresden, causing a similar level of destruction and deaths. It just did it in slow motion. The limit to Israel's actions is not its morality or its military means, it's the international opinion.
> Maybe a Palestinian state run by Hamas and populated by people that have only been raised to hate and die
Again, because differently from you and me, these people don't love life, their spouses, their children, their land.. they're rabid animals, will just bite anything that gets near them, wanting to be shot. This is what you think and you've said multiple times in different ways in your post. Horrific, shameful.
> The limit to Israel's actions is not its morality or its military means, it's the international opinion.
And they're trying their best to silence the Gazan voice by not letting in any international journalists, labeling every journalist as Hamas, killing them all, one camera at a time. Or five.
> why would they provoke a war after reaching their goal of having a state?
Because having their own state isnt their goal, the destruction of zionism is.
> The limit to Israel's actions is not its morality or its military means, it's the international opinion.
Israel has nukes and is self sufficient. International opinion only limits them until they decide dealing with the palestinians is more important, at which point they can team up with china. Really the only limit to Israels actions are what the israeli people will vote for.
I dont really get your obsession with the rabid animal theme. We know that israel cares more about civilians than the palestinian government because israel was content to let the palestinians chill until oct 7th while hamas spent the previous two decades bombarding tel aviv. Hamas has mafia level control over gaza. Thats just a fact, why does that make us racist for pointing out? They use human shields, it is obvious that they do not care about their populace. We dont have to be racist to point out that hamas fucking sucks and has done nothing but make life worse for everyone in gaza. That doesnt make the israeli government good, its just a reminder that things will probably continue to be terrible in the region
Yea I agree a 2 state solution is probably the worst thing that could happen for the palestinian populace right now because within a year it would lead to dresden levels of destruction and an actual full throated genocide of all the palestinians when the state inevitably starts lobbing rockets at tel aviv and jerusalem. Even if the vast majority of palestinians dont want that they wouldnt be able to stop iranian backed terrorists from doing it and thats all the excuse israel needs to annihilate a sovereign palestine.
> One could say that it actually liberates the part of the population that doesn't support terrorism.
But the genocide here includes the gazans that do not support terrorism. In fact the terrorists are basically the only group in gaza that are immune to the genocide because they control the government and are able to monopolize food distribution. We have seen over and over and over again that counter terrorism only has two ways to succeed. Either the population has to willingly install a government that can counter the terrorists or the counter terrorism group has to kill every single person in the region. Everyone can see which option israel is going for here
Al Jazeera is of course known for promoting the important works of famed scholars such as Osama bin Laden and Hamas. This is a strange place for people to be ok with terrorism. I guess it's different when you're the one they're trying to ethnically cleanse. Pay attention in school kids!
Terrorism like Israel killing tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians or the US killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians? Or do you just mean the violence committed by brown people against their oppressors?
I don’t think it’s very useful to take a word that’s absolutly terrible and then change the definition of that word to apply to some other definition that you don’t like.
I don't think it's really about applying a definition A to a definition B incorrectly, but rather about expanding or restricting the meaning of a given definition.
Is the Gaza genocide on the same level as what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto, certainly not. However, it is already surpassing Kosovo/Bosnian War genocide by a huge margin.
That doesn't seem to be the case. The UN has a legal definition of genocide, and the assertion is that the criteria are met. So what's the change in definition?
Was there a threshold as to why it wasn't one last month, for example.
The resolution is an outcome of a process descibed in this organization's bylaws. Quoting:
ARTICLE 6. Resolutions A. Resolutions committing the Association to a stand on a public issue require a two-thirds majority of those voting at the biennial business meeting or by e-mail ballot. For a proposed resolution to pass, voting must have been undertaken by a quorum of more than 20% (20% plus 1) of paid up IAGS members at the time of the vote.
B. Resolutions directly related to genocide or other mass atrocities, including early warning signs thereof, may be proposed by any member in good standing.
C. Proposed resolutions shall first be submitted to the Resolutions Committee appointed by the President and the Executive Board for review of their linguistic clarity and historical and factual accuracy. The standard of review shall be that of an article for the IAGS journal. The Resolutions Committee will recommend to the Executive Board and Advisory Boardwhether the Resolution should be forwarded to the IAGS membership for a vote.
D. After consulting with the Advisory Board, the Executive Board shall decide whether or not the proposed resolution will be submitted to the IAGS membership for a vote within two weeks of submission by the Resolutions Committee. Resolutions must be circulated by the Executive Board to the IAGS membership at least thirty days before the close of voting by IAGS members. E-mail voting shall begin as soon as the resolution is submitted to the membership by the Executive Board and close at the end of thirty days of voting. Votes will be submitted and counted by the Secretary/Treasurer of the IAGS, and after verification by the Executive Board, results of the voting will be announced to the members of the IAGS.
Ah, got it. Thanks.
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Logged in to vote this and flagged. Nicely done HN.
Crazy how vehemently people seek to suppress this information.
This will be flagged.
Can't have anyone talking about anything important on HN, someone's feelings might get hurt!
Hope people will vouch for it to stay up
Yep, flagged now. Edit: Not by me
Flagged less than 20min after posting. Seemingly coordinated.
No matter how civilised the discourse, for some it's too much. Is there a way to take away the veto of any 10 people who don't like what they see?
Ah, this comment was apparently too much too. All, very quickly as well. The threshold for taking down a post should be higher.
Seriously, do the people doing this think they're doing Israel any favours? Everyone knows about the Hasbara farms by now.
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Flagged. Pretty shameless how blatant and coordinated it all is. People will remember this stuff.
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Wow wow. What an incredible list of dehumanizing genocidal statements. Let me unpack them one by one:
> Is Israel doing genocide? Probably. Does the Palestinian leadership (hamas) want them to do this? Yep.
So from the start you claim that the Palestinian leadership wants its own people genocided (and themselves killed in the process). Who knows why? They must be rabid beasts, these victims. Better put them out of their pain, eh?
> Who cares more about killing less "civilians"? The effed up thing is it's probably Israel.
And how do you even know? Most of the killing of civilians, also in percentage to the total, has been done by Israel. Is it again because the others are rabid animals? Also, thanks for those scare quotes around "civilians". Wink wink.
> The Arab world doesn't want to deal with Palestinians.
The Arab world is either corrupt by US money or has a gun pointed to its head, both by Israel and by its unwavering supporter, financer and protector, the US. This has been made extremely clear multiple times (hundreds of thousands/ millions dead).
> Palestinian leadership ... only care about maintaining Mafia level control over Gaza.
Again, because they are rabid animals, right? They do not care about freedom, their land, the oppression, being shot at, bombed...
> Palestinians have not been allowed to have an economy in 74 years, live off of international aid, and yer have increased their population by a factor of ten. The only reason you do that is to raise cannon fodder.
So these animals are guilty of multiplying, their numbers prove their intentions, is this what you mean? The fact itself that they are born proves that they're evil.
> Everyone wants the Palestinians to get their own State
Not at all, everyone says this to buy time. In fact Israel abhors the idea (threatens everyone who proposes to recognize Palestine), not because of bs security concerns but because it means putting a fixed border and an end to their expansion. The US does what Israel demands- we've seen very clearly in the past two years that their leverage with Israel is zero, while Israel basically controls most US representatives. Europe is more or less in the same position, subordinate to both Israel and the US. The "peace process" for the two states solution is just a facade. It's a process that should go on forever without reaching its goal, keeping the pretense of legality while Israel colonises the West Bank and now Gaza.
> But if the Palestinians have a state, and provoke a war, then Israel can use even more unrestrained violence against them
Uh? And why? This is a total non-sequitur. Also, why would they provoke a war after reaching their goal of having a state? Again these animals..
> If Israel had used unrestrained carpet bombing like we did to Dresden in world war II, postage stamp sized Gaza would have been completely razed in a month.
In fact Israel has dropped more bombs on Gaza than were dropped on Dresden, causing a similar level of destruction and deaths. It just did it in slow motion. The limit to Israel's actions is not its morality or its military means, it's the international opinion.
> Maybe a Palestinian state run by Hamas and populated by people that have only been raised to hate and die
Again, because differently from you and me, these people don't love life, their spouses, their children, their land.. they're rabid animals, will just bite anything that gets near them, wanting to be shot. This is what you think and you've said multiple times in different ways in your post. Horrific, shameful.
> The limit to Israel's actions is not its morality or its military means, it's the international opinion.
And they're trying their best to silence the Gazan voice by not letting in any international journalists, labeling every journalist as Hamas, killing them all, one camera at a time. Or five.
> why would they provoke a war after reaching their goal of having a state?
Because having their own state isnt their goal, the destruction of zionism is.
> The limit to Israel's actions is not its morality or its military means, it's the international opinion.
Israel has nukes and is self sufficient. International opinion only limits them until they decide dealing with the palestinians is more important, at which point they can team up with china. Really the only limit to Israels actions are what the israeli people will vote for.
I dont really get your obsession with the rabid animal theme. We know that israel cares more about civilians than the palestinian government because israel was content to let the palestinians chill until oct 7th while hamas spent the previous two decades bombarding tel aviv. Hamas has mafia level control over gaza. Thats just a fact, why does that make us racist for pointing out? They use human shields, it is obvious that they do not care about their populace. We dont have to be racist to point out that hamas fucking sucks and has done nothing but make life worse for everyone in gaza. That doesnt make the israeli government good, its just a reminder that things will probably continue to be terrible in the region
Yea I agree a 2 state solution is probably the worst thing that could happen for the palestinian populace right now because within a year it would lead to dresden levels of destruction and an actual full throated genocide of all the palestinians when the state inevitably starts lobbing rockets at tel aviv and jerusalem. Even if the vast majority of palestinians dont want that they wouldnt be able to stop iranian backed terrorists from doing it and thats all the excuse israel needs to annihilate a sovereign palestine.
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> One could say that it actually liberates the part of the population that doesn't support terrorism.
But the genocide here includes the gazans that do not support terrorism. In fact the terrorists are basically the only group in gaza that are immune to the genocide because they control the government and are able to monopolize food distribution. We have seen over and over and over again that counter terrorism only has two ways to succeed. Either the population has to willingly install a government that can counter the terrorists or the counter terrorism group has to kill every single person in the region. Everyone can see which option israel is going for here
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Al Jazeera is of course known for promoting the important works of famed scholars such as Osama bin Laden and Hamas. This is a strange place for people to be ok with terrorism. I guess it's different when you're the one they're trying to ethnically cleanse. Pay attention in school kids!
Terrorism like Israel killing tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians or the US killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians? Or do you just mean the violence committed by brown people against their oppressors?
Here you go, Israel groups saying Israel is committing genocide in a leading Israel paper:
> In first, two major Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of ‘genocide’ in Gaza
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-two-major-israeli-hum...
here is the guardian reporting on it:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committ...
Or the financial times, if you prefer:
https://www.ft.com/content/470b61ff-aa1c-487f-a9ae-477b5c142...
Any non-British sources?
Do you not read?
Embarrassing edit. You need to seek help.